the "jim" marcus talks of is Ben Poppleton,he was in brazil for about 5 years from 2001
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Django67,
the "jim" marcus talks of is Ben Poppleton,he was in brazil for about 5 years from 2001 |
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I was a student of Rick Youngs from 1986 to 2000. in the Ferry Road school in the late 80's he would bring in the likes of Larry Hartsell who would tell us about the gracies. Sifu Hartsell was the first to give us grappling and imho influenced Rick tremendously
Rick Started training with Rickson Gracie in 1990, although he met him before that and had started training with grapplers like Paulson and Mcfann. It was when he moved to the Leith Community centre in the early 90's (i cant recall the exact date) that grappling became more significant, probably due to the availability of the mats! The Ferry Rd school floor gave you splinters! We started the Judo route as there was no other way at the time and Rick taught Newaza and introduced us to the likes of Mark Preston and Billy Cuzak. I lived in Aberdeen so would go to the local Judo clubs to work the material.At Aberdeen seminars from the mid 90's onward i have video footage of Rick teaching groundwork.At the Edinburgh Inosanto seminars, Rick would invite workshops from grapplers and gave many their first introdcutions to Gomes, Paulson, Cuzak etc. In 94 i met Marc McFann at a JKD camp in London who was way ahead of his time in the grappling stakes. He blended his grappling with Silat and was one of the first to be able to hang with the BJJ guys in the states. Mcfann also became instrumental in developing the grappling game for us in Aberdeen. In 1999 i travelled with McFann and Ewen Campbell to the Inosanto Academy where i was introduced to shooto and trained with Jean Jacques. A new journey begun. I was lucky to get oppertunities to train with some wonderful grapplers through both Rick and Marc who were inspirational to the early 90's scene. The game has changed so much since then and the information is gained so quickly. We would kesagatame for a long time before moving to a different pin, now its covered in a class... Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk |
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From Rick Young:
My start in grappling came in 1975 when my first instructor, Shaun Shanley taught me some basic Ne-Waza and some wrestling moves along with punching and kicking. He also taught me some Judo throws which from the very beginning I valued because I saw him use them to devastating effect in the street. His instructors were; George Kerr now a ninth dan Judo, Jimmy Delaney a third dan Judo with exceptional throwing skills and an absolute monster on the street and Maurice Allan who was a superb wrestler and who won the 1975 world Sambo championships in Russia. I have since had the privilege of training with all of them and they are all world class. In 1984 on my first trip to Los Angeles I attended a Larry Hartsell seminar which was all clinch and groundwork. I trained with Sifu Hartsell consistently from the mid eighties to the late nineties and he has been a major influence on me. I owe him an enormous amount of thanks. At the same time from the JKD direction Guro Dan Inosanto has always stressed the importance of the ground game and has always encouraged me to continue my training in grappling. Between 1986-88 I trained Judo but stopped because of a niggling knee injury. I was first exposed to BJJ in 1989 when I went to the Smoky mountain camp in North Carolina were everyone was talking about this family who said they could beat anyone with their style of Jiu-jitsu. This was of course the infamous Gracie challenge. I met Erik Paulson at this camp and he told me he was taking privates from one of the Gracie brothers and said that when I got to Los Angeles I should try to get a private lesson. I did as he said and got a private from Royce. This was at the Gracie house I think just before they opened their first academy in Torrance. I remember all sorts of guys in kimonos walking around, one of them I now know was Rickson another was Rorian, I also think Royler was there. On the same trip I started training with Erik Paulson who is just on another level completely from me. Erik is one of the most knowledgeable grapplers around and in my view is really underrated. He is a massive influence on the way I train and teach. In the next couple of years whenever I visited Los Angeles to train with Dan Inosanto I trained with Rickson, Rorian and Royce this was because Paul Vunak one of my instructors at the time took privates from all three and I just joined in. I rolled with Rickson maybe 6 or 7 times but in all honesty I didnt have the skills to give him any problems at all so it was hard for me to gauge just how great he was. During one class though in the summer of 1993, just prior to the first UFC, I did roll with Rickson, Royce and Fabio Gurgel who Rickson introduced as a world class black belt. Rickson rolled with him and proceeded to tap him constantly. He did the same to Royce but Royce was tapping twice as quickly as Fabio. I mention this not to downplay either Royce or Fabios abilities but just to give some perspective on Rickson. Rickson was always nice to me and when I went to his house to interview him he was really polite and made me feel at home and welcomed. In 1995 I started to go to the Machado school primarily because Rickson was away a lot when I visited L.A. I trained with Rigan, Roger, John and a little with Jean Jacque. In 1997 Rigan gave me my blue belt.. All of these men in their own right were and are awesome Jiu-jitsu players. Just to backtrack a bit in 1991 I started practicing Judo again and began taking private lessons from Marc Preston, a world class Judo player with great Ne-Waza skills. Marc taught me a lot about position and balance as well as some strong techniques on the ground. I trained with Marc privately 3-4 times a week for around 4 years while at the same time training with Billy Cusack and his squad at the Edinburgh club. I actually took a job on the door to finance my privates with Marc- he was that good I didnt want to miss the opportunity of training under him. I lot of the Guys I trained with were British internationalists and strong in Ne-Waza. Billy taught me a lot about the ground and really helped me mentally prepare for gradings or hard sessions. In 1995 I visited Japan to train at Tokai University which was an amazing experience. Apart from getting thrown relentlessly I had some great groundwork practices out there notably with the great Kenzo Nakamura. Because of the Edinburgh clubs connections in the Judo world I got to train with a massive amount of world class Judo players who I usually got the chance to roll with and learn from. I owe a lot to George Kerr, Billy Cusack and Marc Preston for giving shape and direction to the way I train and how I have developed. I trained Judo with the full time squad at the Edinburgh club until it closed in 2004. Any way in 1998 my friend Rob Lock told me about a BJJ instructor who had started teaching in Birmingham. It was of course none other than Mauricio Gomes. Dave Briggs had also mentioned how good Mauricio was to me when I taught courses for Geoff Thompson and Peter Consterdine. In 1999 I asked Mauricio to come up for a couple of seminars and immediately liked both him and the way he approached the art. This was also the first time I met Roger who even at blue belt level and only seventeen was just awesome. In 2002 on my third trip to Brazil I was talking to Mauricio and said I would like to start again in BJJ and go as a white belt under him. I hadnt seen Rigan for a long time and really didnt have a relationship with him so I thought it better to start all over again Mauricio kindly gave me my purple and gave me permission to teach BJJ. Up until this point I had been teaching the classes as Ne-Waza and Combat submission wrestling as I didnt feel I had enough knowledge to be teaching a complete BJJ class. I am extremely privileged to have Mauricio as my instructor and feel very grateful to be taught by him. In my opinion he is the best teacher of BJJ I have ever come across. More importantly he is one of the nicest human beings I have ever met. I also have to thank Braulio Estima who is Just a tremendous individual both on and off the mat and he has helped me immensely in improving my game. In August 2003 Mauricio gave me my brown belt and in October 2005 he presented me, Marc Walder and Jude Samuel with our black belts. It was great to attain the Black belt but to be honest I still feel like a beginner in the grappling arts and see the black belt as an indication of a decent level of proficiency from which you have to build on and develop your skills, not to sit back and admire the view. I am also very aware that there are many, many blue, purple, brown and black belts that have more skill than me and could whoop me on the mat but I know that if I am constantly training and improving then I am ahead of the game and being the best that I can be which hopefully I will be doing until the day I die. |
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Very interesting post from Rick.
Class. Cheers. |
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Just thought I'd comment on Rick Young's submission. Those who have rolled with Rick Young and trained under his guidance will agree whenI state that he is one of the countries best grapplers, an awesome instructor, the most humble man you will ever meet - to sum up an inspiration to us all
It has been my honour to have trained with Rick many times (not as many as I would have liked) and thoroughly encourage anyone to train with this man, you won't be disappionted. |
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Dont pretend to be BJJer, our story has been mma but with the help of good friends in BJJ.
"Fighting Chance" began MMA training in 2000/01 somewhere around there. We had been training various ma's before that. I posted for help on the sfuk forum when we began mma and got replies from Spenna, Darren Currie and Carl Fisher, all of whom were a temendous help and we couldn't have begun properly without any of them. Thanks guys! We began to compete mma and some grappling comps, I began Judo and Sambo also to help with the grappling as amongst us were accomplished strikers, we all needed grappling skills in a hurry. I must say those first 2 years were magical for us, developing and going out to any and every gym possible to train. As I mentioned earlier the trio above really helped and inspired us and we are very gratefull and honoured. Others began to visit at our gym, many well known names now, all the Quannam and Collosium guys, it really was a fantastic time. Another great help was Peps in sheffield, great guy he really helped us also. There are many more names, thanks to all. We grew and now are doing well on the mma scene and hopefully will continue to do so. |
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i think i took that photo
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I started off training in BJJ with Arlans Sequeira in Seven Sisters and Tottenham! I was one of his first ten pupils. Asif joined and so did Shaun France. It was a really good time and a good feeling. Mauricio Gomez arrived on the scene and Arlans was ready but his family commitments and work drew priority and he stopped teaching. He was a genuine Brown Belt and a very talented BJJ player, i saw him roll with everyone he came to his school including Mauricio!
When Arlans stopped teaching i went to join up and train at Gracie Barra where i met Roger Gracie and Mauricio, Jude, Chris Kistan, Ivan and a whole load of other nice folks. I was training at their club Kensington gym. But i stopped training there because i had a dispute with the owner of the gym. He was a tight, sad and uneducated fool! I then found out that Gracie Barra opened up in the The Third Space where i joined up. Soon Mauricio left and Chris took over, I got tired and just stayed on training with Chris Kistan. We did have fun times there. Chris is a Blue Belt still but all i can say is that on the mat I saw him rip through so many higher belts. In the mean time i still kept in touch with Arlans, he was always working but once in a while he would come down and train and he still had it there! Now Chris no longer teaches at The Third Space. I am waiting for Marcio "Mamazinho" Laudier to start teaching in Edmonton once the club is finished being put together by the end of September! I spoke to Arlans and he said that he would like to come down and train. I also know that a few old faces from the hey day will be there! by Abdul J tARAFDAR |
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So Arlans is still in the UK?
What is Chris up to these days, i'm not sure i've ever seen him come down to the Budo or to RGA. Hope it all works out at your club. |
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Yes Arlans is still in the UK he got married and had kids and working became a priority but I spoke to him recently and he expresses an interest in coming down to train. As for Chris he got married recently in South Africa and is back here working away. He had gone to the RGA a few times whilst he was teaching in The Third Space to see Maurcio and Roger etc. Thanks for your words of support for the new academy.
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Arlans called me today once again to confirm that he wil be coming but also with a group of his Brazilian friends some of them are Blue and purple belts as well as some of his ex-students!
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Some great stories!
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The atmosphere at Third Space was not at all tense when Chris taught it was different as it was a closed door Dojo was often really small class.
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J Sho |
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Croming - if possible, could you get Arlans to post his memories of jitsu in the early days here?
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It will take a bit of time.....the man is always working and i will not see him until after the 29 Spetember. But i will call him and write down something and then post it. I honestly think that he was one of the first guys to teach here in London at least! He came here over 10 years ago and started teaching just to make a little money and practice his art that he loved once describing it as beautyful like Ballet as he flipped a student over and choked him LOL...What a Geezer! When i first attended his class, his English was so bad I could not understand half the things he was saying! When i mention this to him now he laughs. But the place he taught was in Tottenham and Seven Sisters. Although a rough area and i wont mention any names in fear of offending anyone but he had quite a few guys who came down to try him out after wacthing UFC etc. Some of these guys just went home pissed off,some became his students others are now training in other associations and have even competed in Vale Tudo etc. I think thats even he was not really aware of the London "Hardman" image that a lot of people walked into his gym with. As soon as you walked in you would see him smile and come up to you and shake your hand and say HELLO (One of the few words he could say fluently)! He was a real gentleman and always had a smile for everyone. I even remember a few guys saying that they could not afford the lessons and he would say to them pay me when you can. Brazilian style! It was really a friendly atmosphere and everyone would laugh at him and each other. But also a lot of intense training, I was a single student at Uni then and was juggling two jobs as well as studying full time for my Degree at the time and would often just have time to grab a kebab after work eat it jump on the train and get to the gym. Yeah he made me suffer for that and took the mick out of me for it.
On one last humourous point when Arlan's first wrote a sign advertising his classes and put up the advert in Toa Sports in Green Lane's! It read "Crazy Jiu Jitsu" by mistake due to his English. I am sure that this put a lot of people off or made them curious, It made me wonder what was going on until i turned up to his class. Then all my worries were dealt with as he choked, armed barred and foot locked the life out of me and everyone who walked through that door! A really great time and one that I miss the beggining of BJJ in the UK |
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This post brings back great memories!
My first contact with Great Britain BJJ was in 2000 when I was a blue belt and I started training in Gracie B in High Street Kensington (I think Jude was the instructor back then). My first roll was with Leigh Remedios and he kicked my ass so bad that I decided I had to train full time.... So I left Gracie Barra and moved to London BJJ in Earls Court.... After a few months the name was changed to: Carlson Gracie London!...We had an awesome team back then and most of my BJJ comes from those days. There was: Wilson,Luca,Walid,Jawad,Manxinha,Andrew liu,Simon,Dickie and many more. I remember "Sombra" was the first instructor with Wilson when I joined the club. |
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Alain-
It was a pleasure to learn from you when we met at Carlsons. We are all waiting for you to come home mate! Simon |
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SIMON OR DICKY how did carlsons tonbridge come about, who contacted who.
cheers... |
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Croming |
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Does anyone know if Chen still teachs in Spain any more?
When I was at Arlans we had a student of Chens come down to train and he said that Chen was a student of Helio Gracie? Also what rank was Chen in BJJ? At one point he did have one of the biggest BJJ academies in the UK and was one of the first to organize competitions in the UK i think! |
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