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Paul Cahoon	GYMNASTS	Lead	[-]
Posts: 597 (08/18/04 12:56:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Just been watching the gymnasts on the tv before and these guys have got great physics. Do they lift weights or do they develop themselves on the gymnast equipt. I bet with a bit of drilling and sparring these guys would make good fighters. If they do lift weights and someone knows there routine, let us know.
Unregistered(d)	Re: GYMNASTS	#1	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/18/04 13:01:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah the women look incredible too, I'll tell u, I wouldn't mind being in their guard! Gymnasts never work with weights, well very rarely as I know of it. My family has a lot of gymnasts in it and they get like that just through the sport they work with only their bodyweight, no weight training. They also do bodyweight exercises like handstand pushups etc but only work with their body weight.
Levo	Re: GYMNASTS	#2	[-]
Posts: 5263 (08/18/04 13:03:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	They are damn flexible and have a crazy functional strength. Both would be very useful for grappling! I would be interested to hear anything on how they train. Wasn't Mark Schultz a gymnast before wrestling? I seem to remember him talking about doing lots of bodyweight exercises and not much weights. Nathan ------------- Total Grappling Videos - UK Submission Grappling Tapes
Unregistered(d)	Re: GYMNASTS	#3	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/18/04 13:15:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just spoke with my mum who was a gymnast. They never did any weight training. They just did bodyweight exercises, like handstand pushups, press up, sit ups etc. They had individual coaches for conditioning and stretching, and then obviously the gymnastics. She said they all looked like they do now, ripped and strong as hell, but NO weight training. I have tried weight training and now only do bodyweight conditioning and had far better results in terms of strength and muscular endurance gain. I got my stuff from Matt Furey but hes expensive as hell and is thick as sh*t. Theres this site though that is brilliant and very good value for money, theres a review of it on sfuk www.trainforstrength.com/ Other than that u have to get ur self down to a gymnasium. Hope that helps, Neil
Unregistered(d)	Re: GYMNASTS	#4	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/18/04 13:21:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Egan Inoue follows it as well!
SFUK	Re: GYMNASTS	#5	[-]
Posts: 3173 (08/18/04 13:22:10) SFUK Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Some gymnasts lift weights, some (most?) don't. I was reading an article on one of the chinese gymnast's weight training recently. If I remember correctly, ex world champ, Lee Ning used weight's to 'look good' as much as anything else. Incidentally, Lee Ning went on to become one of china's leading sportwear brands - due to be floated on the HK stock market. Here's some good articles on building strength via gymnastics: Strength via Gymnastics - Article by Richard Sommer. Gymnastics Tension Exercises by Brad Johnson Here's a direct link to the Scrapper Bodyweight review as mentioned by Neil (Thanks Neil ) Training tapes - US Gymnastics. Coaching info for gymnastics - includes weight training info. *Quote:* From the link above : Weight training remains controversial for some coaches. However, weight training will likely become the favored means of conditioning for gymnasts in the near future. The reason for the shift is that in order to achieve high levels of strength and power, the stimulus provided by body weight alone is not sufficient beyond a certain threshold. At an Olympic level, there their physiques may have some, erm, chemical influences.
I TRIBULUS	Re: GYMNASTS	#6	[-]
Posts: 728 (08/18/04 13:26:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think you get a physique like that from 10-15 years of elite level gymnastics training in conjunction with the correct genetic disposition. All the sports seem to generate a specific body type eg swimmers sprinters gymnasts all have a shape that seems unique to their sport. Obviously having a particular body type (genetics) governs which sport you are suitable for. Incredible power to weight ratio,agility and flexibility would indeed make a formidable combination for a grappler.
the jabroni	Re: GYMNASTS	#7	[-]
Posts: 765 (08/18/04 13:29:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i did gynmasts for a little while, we never used weights, always stuff like chins, dips, rope climbing, and specilized machines for increasing shoulder strength using your own weight, specilized gymnastic exercise's for certain positions used in gymnastics. Rich
Paul Cahoon	Re: GYMNASTS	#8	[-]
Posts: 597 (08/18/04 13:39:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good sites guys, Yeh they all seem to have the same physic{ big shoulders and arms} With doing all the training you do for mma you wouldnt have time for three times a week at your local gymnastics. Also in liverpool you would look like a bit of a puff as the gymnastics i have seen in sport centers are just full of girls. It would look funny me running out in my wrestling leotard doing handstands and spring jumps with a load of young girls.
the jabroni	Re: GYMNASTS	#9	[-]
Posts: 765 (08/18/04 13:52:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	when abdul was in afghanistan, he said they train almost identical to gymnasts. Rich
Colm O Reilly	Re: GYMNASTS	#10	[-]
Posts: 75 (08/18/04 23:22:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* specilized machines for increasing shoulder strength using your own weight Any examples? Thanks!
cgjj	Re: GYMNASTS	#11	[-]
Posts: 1469 (08/19/04 00:16:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Resistance training is resistance training. Body weight provides resistance. Weight training provides resistance. Our bodies do not know where the resistance is coming from when we train,it cannot determine the difference between a handstand shoulder press and an olympic bar shoulder press if the olympic bar is loaded with your bodyweight.It cannot tell the difference between a wide grip chin and a wide grip overhead pulley row if the machine is loaded with your bodyweight.etc etc.This romantic notion that weights are bad for you or that bodyweight excercises are better is uninformed old fashioned piffle. I can give you all one piece of advice regarding strength training-WORK TO FAILURE. ps TRIBULUS is correct about genetics 302
BigPoppaPep	Re: GYMNASTS	#12	[-]
Posts: 153 (08/19/04 00:23:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Or close to it (for safety reasons).
MarkCossey	Re: GYMNASTS	#13	[-]
Posts: 170 (08/19/04 00:41:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I kinda half agree with with you cgjj, certainly about the body not knowing where the resistance is coming from. The big difference I think is about the other muscles involved in say a seated shoulder press and a handstand press. Even doing a simple handstand you have to use your core strenghth to balance yourself etc. I had a good chat with Pierre Guillet's conditioning coach (Sonni) a while ago and he introduced me to a whole new way of strenght training. Crossfit.com have some useful info too. Mark
the jabroni	Re: GYMNASTS	#14	[-]
Posts: 765 (08/19/04 00:43:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hmm i remeber using a werid machine:- First off,you had rings in your had, and the bench was on a decline, the motion was kinda like a side lateral raise in reverse, using your bodyweight, the bench moved up and down as you lifted yourself up with your shoulders, its kinda hard to explain, hope this has helped. Rich
Varqa	Re: GYMNASTS	#15	[-]
Posts: 354 (08/19/04 00:49:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Rich (Jabroni), Sorry to hijack thread but do you train with Abdul? and if you do does he or anyone with him teach pure wrestling or wrestling for subgrappling? Cheers
Jimmy Mc IOM	Re: GYMNASTS	#16	[-]
Posts: 29 (08/19/04 01:32:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* First off,you had rings in your had, and the bench was on a decline, the motion was kinda like a side lateral raise in reverse, using your bodyweight, the bench moved up and down as you lifted yourself up with your shoulders, its kinda hard to explain, hope this has helped. This is correct. You lie as if about to do incline flyes but with rings in your hands with arms perpendicular to your torso (crucifix style). Pull your hands down so they are level with your waist, and as you do this the bench slides upwards. Have a Romanian Olympic gold medallist (Sydney) staying with us at the moment, she says they never used to train with weights. Candidates are usually short (not as much leverage on the limbs) with naturally strong upper bodies, and obviously good coordination. Cheers Jimmy
John RH	Re: GYMNASTS	#17	[-]
Posts: 1835 (08/19/04 02:07:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The obvious crossover with martial arts and gymnastics is modern wu shu, which is basically gymnastics based on moves once used for sparring but without the full contact element. There is a rumour of wu shu being a demo sport in one of the forthcoming Olympics John Hopton JhnHptn@aol.com
J Sho	Re: GYMNASTS	#18	[-]
Posts: 6539 (08/19/04 02:24:25) SFUK Messiah Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The next one perhaps
cgjj	Re: GYMNASTS	#19	[-]
Posts: 1469 (08/19/04 02:27:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mark-re the shoulder press example-yes you're right,however where the handstand version does use more core strength by bringing more stabilising muscles into play,it doesnt work the deltoids through their full range of motion due to the head being in the way.But a shoulder barbell press does work through the full range of motion as we can lower the bar either side of our heads. Because when i train shoulder press i want to stimulate my deltoids i feel this full range of motion is more important than core strength which can be trained at other times.However i'm not disagreeing with you i'm just saying that like most things -its all swings and roundabouts You probably all know that i advocate H.I.T. slow protocol one set per excercise to complete failure training........BUT on holiday recently i didn't have any weights and i decided to try old bighead shamrocks routine of bodyweight squats to failure..... I managed 300 with the last 10 jumping.My legs are in good shape but i could hardly walk for 4 days..... btw EVERY squat was to 90 degrees-NO CHEATING. This just goes to show our bodies react to shock treatment i.e. different routines and protocols no matter how strong we are. Also i borrowed italcozetas press up bars made by weider these allow you to go deeper in a press up (turning the range of motion into something closer to a bench press) i recommend 'em! 302 fight or die
J Sho	Re: GYMNASTS	#20	[-]
Posts: 6539 (08/19/04 02:34:57) SFUK Messiah Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	302 - NO CHEATING ON SQUATS

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